@Witchsmeller Yeah, that is another understandable but regrettable thing! We're like, ugh, can you not just accept that you are cis and it's a good idea to acknowledge that and acknowledge your cis privilege, etc etc. But to other people it sounds like "damn you for not knowing everything already!!!!" And to us it sounds like you're saying "I've never needed to say I was cis and I'm not about to start now, you transtrender upstarts are so demanding!"
And then, arrows fly... :P
@cassolotl Haha, that's exactly how it goes. I have zero problems with the nub of the issue, but yeah the PR dept :)
@cassolotl I hear the last part, and I also hear the...tiredness with explaining (ironically, as you are now) but...I'm just reading your next one.... and that's my point in a nutshell. When it's so little know, but there's an assumption that people should know it and incorporate it into their life, and that they're a bigot if they haven't? That's a regretable assumption.
@cassolotl I think in this case, sincerely, the vast majority of cis people (Yeah, I get it and will use it appropriately :) ) simply would be amazed that not being aware of "being cis" is inherently transphobic. It's a massive bow to draw imo.
@cassolotl Yep, I hear you. But when the majority of people have no idea what it means, that's an issue.
@cassolotl It could simply boil down to me, but if I'm walking away with this feeling and I'm very "you be you, and I'll celebrate you for it (unless you're a fuckwith racist/scummo type" how must it be for other people less concerned?
@cassolotl Not quite a slur, but wholly dismissive. As if being who I am meant that I had nothing valid to say. Not even like a case of mansplaining, but a simple "Phhhht"
@cassolotl Now that I agree with every single word. Actually nearly everything you've said I agree with, but having a conversation is a much more pleasant route to enlightenment, if you get me.
@Witchsmeller When you know the full story behind that approach problem, it makes a lot more sense. I think probably saying "I don't like to identify on the cis/trans spectrum but I acknowledge that I share experiences with cis people and I have a lot of privilege as a result" would probably help a lot!
@cassolotl Think ofit this way. First time I ever heard cis it was clearly used as a pejorative, and I had to look it up on wikipedia. It's like a double whammy. 9/10 people have no idea what it even means. I'm not against it in spirit, but a conversation is better than an order.
@cassolotl Yep, I hear you. However, if someone expects me to change with zero explanation, and calls me a bigot for not simply jumping to attention, well that's an issue. More of an approach problem than anything.
@cassolotl Because every time I've ever been labelled as it, it was with a spirit that said if I don't I'm a bigot! But with zero explanation as to why I should think differently. Think of it this way, trans people have generated a significant amount of understanding (literal, if not empathetic) in the general community. How did that happen?
@cassolotl Yep, I completely understand this. It could well be that I simply haven't understood how me being identified as cis actually assists, but thanks for this.
@cassolotl APologies, I've lost track of toots here. What is "it" in this case? :)
@CobaltVelvet That's a reasonable argument, and I will be giving it significant thought. Thanks for taking the time to actually make a good argument. In the past my experience of this has been
Me: I don't want to be labelled, cheers.
Others: BIGOT!
Literally this, and it shits me.
@cassolotl This is reasonable, yep.
@cassolotl The thing is, it's only in this instance where I'm called a bigot for not using it, even though I wouldn't use the others either.
So when someone says "see me for who I am, not the colour of my skin or my genitalia" that's what I try to do in my interactions. I work in an environment teeming with difference, and I likie people to be comfortable in their skin, just as I want to be.
@cassolotl Yes, absolutely. I recognise that and completely agree. However, is still doesn't mean I want to, or have to, choose to identify as cis. Do you see what I mean? To me it's yet another label, yet another divider.
@CobaltVelvet I simply don't want to be labelled in that way. I'm putting zero limitations upon how someone else identifies. In fact I celebrate them. Please explain how that is bigotry, using logic.