'carbon footprint' is a concept and term invented by British Petroleum as a way of making you blame yourself for climate change instead of holding oil companies accountable

@Taweret BP officer: let's shame our consumers to hide how we are soooooo much worse and call ourselfs Beyond Petroleum so people think we are doing something but we don't do anything!
BP Board: that's unethical and wrong. Give this man another million dollars of share options NOW! (Breaks in cheering and hooting and their private jets warm up)

@Taweret Lmao I was just trying to explain to my parents today how all people collectively has less impact than our industry. They still didn't accept that it's more important to decarbonise industry than for any one person to change their lifestyle.

@KamareDrache in fairness to your parents, fossil fuel companies have spent an ass ton of money on propaganda to make people think exactly that

@Taweret Well quite. I wish my parents would be a bit more critical of what they believe.

@KamareDrache there's a youtube channel called Climate Town has that has vids explaining all of this and they're well done, only like ten minutes each and very digestible. maybe see what they think of some of those

@Taweret I am literally screaming about this every single day!!! mostly to myself but also to any unwitting victims who step within ranting range of me lol

@Taweret Also related: recycling! not really a thing it turns out, and would require a lot of infrastructure, science, and economic forces none of which we have to be a thing! Big plastic just saw the height of the US environmental movement c. 70s and decided it was a smart move to hire an Italian American man to dress as a Native American and cry at some roadside litter so they could avoid having to address the waste their products generate themselves, and it worked!!

@NormalPopsicle @Taweret I think this partially depends on where you live. You seem to be talking about the US.

@Taweret @jaranta Yeah FWIW - the recyclability of plastic depends largely on the grade of that plastic, and for most of the grades it either isn't physically possible to recycle them currently, or there isn't enough economic demand for recycled plastic of that grade.

Even for the plastic that is in theory recycled - iirc mostly only types 1 and 2? - they have a short life span (you recycle down - even if you recycle today the product it becomes next likely won't be itself recyclable, it's just kicking the trash down the line really, and making more pollution in the process), and often are themselves impossible to recycle because of contamination and issues of labor and economics.

Most of what we in the developed world think of are "recyclable" is what is generally considered to be "wishful recycling", i.e. we know it doesn't belong in a landfill and just hope that by throwing it into the recycling bin it won't end up there. Sadly, it ending up in a landfill is the better outcome....

@Taweret @jaranta The developed world (primarily America, but other countries too!) mostly handles our "recycling" by simply shipping it off to the developing world to make that trash THEIR problem now, often to great detriment to the local environment and health of those communities.

Recycling COULD be a handy tool for tackling our waste problems, but as it stands now our waste isn't compatible with that tool. The industries responsible for all this impossible to dispose of waste piling up everywhere could've spent the last several decades and parts of their fortunes either making their waste fully closed loop recyclable, or they could've even done the more sensible and easier option of switching to more sustainable, cleaner, and biodegradable materials. Instead, they told us if we just all put our bottles into special Definitely-Not-Trash Bins they would just magically sort themselves out.

@Taweret @jaranta I still love how the Philippines not long ago had a whole diplomatic dispute with Canada cuz they decided to send back 69 (nice) cargo containers full of Canadian trash, I know they probably just sat at a Vancouver port before being redirected back to a different developing nation but I really like to imagine them just dumping it all on Rideau Hall's lawn, just Justin Trudeau waking up to a pile of trash on his yard

@Taweret @NormalPopsicle @jaranta some days I look at recycling bins and think about how someone would have to sort all of that gross, food-covered garbage to actually recycle it and I know in my heart that nobody will. Certainly you couldn't hire someone for that job in Canada. Maybe they'll swing a magnet over it to grab the steel, probably not. It will be shipped off to another country and dumped.

@Tel @Taweret @jaranta Oh people do sort the recycling for you, and it does not at all look like a job I would envy! Especially since it seems like almost everything they get given is "wishful recycling", just fucking broken umbrellas or exploded fast food ketchup packets or whatever, you're just sorting garbage to be thrown into a pile and taken back to the dump really, ugh

@NormalPopsicle @Taweret @jaranta The language of "developed" for mostly rich mostly white countries & "developing" for everyone else is another one of these propagandistic lies BTW. More accurate words would be like, imperialist/exploiting/oppressing countries on one end & neocolonial/exploited/oppressed countries on the other.

@NormalPopsicle @Taweret @jaranta Actually since this thread seems to be well suited for ranting lol. "Climate change" instead of "global warming" is another one of these. In no way is it inaccurate that the globe is getting warmer (regional variations are exactly that, regional variations). Conservatives pushed this new language because "change" is less suggestive of an action with consequences and therefore sounds "less bad". The rest is rationalization.

Of course one could argue that "global warming" is itself a term that blunts what's really going on, which is massive, cross-species **genocide** at a historically unprecedented pace.

@noyovo @NormalPopsicle @Taweret @jaranta I thought it was because "once in a century hurricanes happening once a year" is hard to refute with "durhurr it's snowing so global warming isn't real" logic.

@tparadox @NormalPopsicle @Taweret @jaranta Well, "once in a century hurricanes happening once a year" is what people were saying when "global warming" was still the predominant term, they didn't just start saying it after.

It's ultimately a question of power, not of reason. The rationalizations (on either side) come *after* the orientation.

@noyovo @tparadox @Taweret @jaranta tbh imo "climate change" kinda is more accurate in the wider picture, like it isn't just that we're warming things overall, though we are, but also that we've thrown the entire global climate into chaos - and that's going to have a wide range of consequences, not just higher temperatures.

To me "climate change" better encapsulates those "once freak weather is now normal" cases, plus I mean my impression is it definitely seems like some day, probably in terms of centuries but still, even if humanity stays on its bullshit the climate would inevitably boomerang the opposite way, the way it has with past sudden climatic changes, and while that's super long term it does kinda feel important to me that we keep in mind that sort of big picture too? Like, we aren't just messing up today or tomorrow by making things hotter - we're messing up a carefully balanced system that won't stabilize again on time scales that humans struggle to appreciate.

@noyovo @tparadox @Taweret @jaranta but, also to be fair ultimately it's a super minor difference what term gets used, we still ain't been doing shit about it either way lmao, RIP to the Anthropocene era

@NormalPopsicle @noyovo @tparadox @Taweret I've been opting for "climate crisis", because it better captures the urgency of the issue (I think I picked this up from Guardian).

@Taweret if you think about it, the term fits. reduce your carbon foot print, don’t support them.

@Taweret Have you got a citation for this? That's not me having a go, that's me wanting to put it into a university essay

They've got me writing some facile crap about how "students can reduce their carbon footprints" and I'd quite like to crap on it and say "sure students can reduce their carbon footprints but it'd be better if Shell did"

Personally I prefer the phrase "carbon globally-suffocating blanket"

@Taweret I got real hung up on "reduce, reuse, recycle" recently for the same reason. Like Coca-Cola produces all this plastic and puts the onus on the consumer despite the fact that the vast majority of plastic can't be recycled. It's fully a con job

@Taweret I just want someone to make an effort to ban plastic bottles. We've reached the point now where there's microplastics on the air blowing in from the ocean. People are just full of plastics and totally unaware of it

@Taweret yeah, fish in particular, obvs. Which we then consume.

@Taweret the Pacific Garbage Patch feels far away but it's impacting people in so many ways. We're killing ourselves

@Thomas @Taweret pretty much every living on earth at this point has PFAS/PFOS in its blood

@radicalrobit @Taweret coca cola could stop producing plastic bottles today but they won't. They would fight it tooth and nail because the bottom line is more important than human life

@Thomas @radicalrobit remember when Australia was on fire? that's going to happen again. and again and again and more places

@Thomas @radicalrobit @Taweret Wild too cuz, like, they literally make other containers for their beverages?? And aluminum actually can be more easily recycled as I understand it??? (and also potentially isn't as dangerous to the environment if it ends up in a landfill or by the side of a road or on a beach?)

@NormalPopsicle @Thomas @Taweret It's absolute bullshit aluminum isn't used for most containers. Something like 97% of all aluminum used in the metals industry is recycled. It's so easy.

@radicalrobit @NormalPopsicle @Taweret I'm certain it comes down to cost. Or maybe they can't make an hourglass bottle out of aluminum

@Taweret @radicalrobit @NormalPopsicle absolutely. The thing is that they already bottle not just their drinks but many other companies. So they'd have to retool everything and likely glass is more expensive. It's always down to bottom line I think. Capitalism disregards the environmental impact of products because it doesn't affect efficiency of labor or profit

@Thomas @Taweret @radicalrobit I've been thinking about the economics of the plastic bottles, and it's kinda actually wild cuz, like, you would think if the economics actually were that plastic bottles were the cheapest, easiest way for them to sell us fizzy corn syrup then that would be all they sell, right?? But instead cans are a big deal AND Coke does still sell glass bottles sometimes, they never 100% switched over to plastic so clearly there has to still be *some* economic forced supporting other vessels for their fizzy sugar drinks right?

Which then just kinda makes it seem like they generate plastic waste... just kind of because they want to???

@NormalPopsicle @Taweret @radicalrobit my kid was learning this stuff about recycling on Earth Day and it took everything in my power not to interrupt and be like WELL ACTUALLY

@Thomas @Taweret @radicalrobit I was just remembering how much we focused on recycling in, like, elementary school!

and how they even made a big deal about separating the different materials only at the time we didn't even have a city-wide recycling program just yet, just some (iirc, milk-themed? because Big Dairy was doing a big "MILK!" ad campaign at the time worried kids weren't drinking enough milk to keep them rich I guess!?) bins in the schools, and when we finally did get a program it - and still does! - just had you put everything in one big bin cuz it doesn't matter lmao

@NormalPopsicle @Taweret @radicalrobit my city doesn't do recycling unless you carry it to the facility yourself which means basically they don't do recycling at all

@Thomas @Taweret @radicalrobit ah, classic
ours actually changed the bins we use a few years back from the stereotypical small blue ones to big red trash bins on wheels with a lid, and I appreciate that to an outsider they probably just look like everyone in town just uses the same trash bins, which, functionally, I suppose we do! 🙃

@NormalPopsicle @Thomas @Taweret @radicalrobit Plastics are super cheap because they are “waste output” of oil refining. The miserable economics of plastic are the same miserable economics of “why are we still refining so many fossil fuels??”. Not that Coca-Cola isn’t helping enough, but you have to love that even the plastics battle is just another way Big Oil is trying to point the finger at anyone else but themselves for making it in the first place.

@Taweret @Thomas @radicalrobit I think I could bend an aluminum can to be an hourglass shape, just bend it in the middle, simple as

Coke should pay me $1billion dollars to crush their cans in the middle instead of pouring all their money into unreasonably cheap new plastic

@anarchiv @Taweret @Thomas @radicalrobit fwiw tho, if we went back to just every town having, like, an artisanal multigenerational glassmaker then we wouldn't have to ship the glass 😉

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