Me: See, the station is supposed to be ugly. It was built by the Cardassians and literally hung over Bajor during the occupation but that same oppression has left the Bajorans in a position where they can't just build a new station and are forced to work with what they've got. So the ugly legacy of colonialism is the literal backdrop of the show.

Barista: Okay, but did you want whip cream on that?

Me: Yes please.

@Taweret I tried explaining to a barista for similar reasons why the Mirror DS9 episodes are more crucially thematic to the overall thesis the show than any other use of the Mirror Universe. (Depending on whether or not you believe DISCO has a thesis yet.) The Mirror DS9 isn't a different DS9, it's what DS9 was built to be, operating at full oppressive capability. Those episodes help Show what Bajorans tried to Tell Starfleet about the PTSD left from the station.

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@max @Taweret I think those Mirror Universe episodes are also important in underscoring that the Cardassians are not the only empire in the show; and from a slight shift of perspective the hypocrisy around how & why the Federation in our universe chooses and forms alliances is underscored.

The Federation seeks power through alliances, just as an liberalist empire would, and directly benefit from a class system of citizen/non-citizen where non-citizens get treated...welp.

@Taweret No you're completely wrong. That ruins the fantasy.

If you put whip cream on it, you've admitted that it's a desert item and you can't continue to pretend that it's a legitimate breakfast coffee.

@Taweret I... um...

It's been so long since I saw anyone post about Star Trek I thought this was about Kim Kardashian or whatever her name is.

I actually spent some time trying to figure out what country in the Baltics the Bajorans would have been from.


Me, stepping up after the previous Me moves over to wait for their drink: She's right. Although I would note that Roddenberry's original Trek series barely touched religion and indeed were far less reverent, yet DS9 touching on colonialism still ignores all the religious oppression in history. During its religious plotlines, it frequently leans on a "bad apple" type solution, and makes other oppressions 'necessary sacrifices'.

Barista: please just tell me your order jfc

@Taweret DS9 addressed so many political and social issues. The one where Sisko when back in time and were imprisoned because he didn't have a job was both great and quite reflective on what actually happens in the world.

It's sad that Star Trek forgot what made it great. I'm referring to Discovery.


I want to see a phantom edit of the series in identical to the original run except for the addition of an ongoing subplot where the three-person Morale Improvement Committee uses their meagre budget to try to make the station seem friendlier to the Bajoran populace.

@SeanAloysiusOBrien the ugliness of the station is thematically important, damnit

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