@Skywise The latter half no not at all. That's awesome

@Skywise I WILL PRINT YOU OF MY PAPERS AND SNAIL MAIL IT TO YOU IF YOU SAY YOU WILL READ IT

@jorty @djsundog @gdkar @Skywise @Canageek Area Man Discovers One Weird Trick To Obtain All Scientific Papers! Journals Hate Him!

@Canageek @Skywise I WILL BREAK INTO YOUR HOUSE, TIE YOU UP, AND READ YOU MY PAPERS ALOUD WHETHER YOU ASK FOR IT OR NOT

@shadow8t4 Yeah, there were definitely sources I just didn’t use due to this and sometimes hours more digging.

@Skywise Good to know. This is the mental struggle I have when supporting and buying music, books, games etc. If a game, or music is good I want my money to support the artist as an expression of my appreciation for their work.

But in the back of my mind I know that most of the money I paid for the album goes to the greedy publishers and the actual artist sees but barely s fraction of my appreciation.

Trickle-down economics in action.

@Skywise Oh! that's a good thing to know. (Would that also go for papers I'm not allowed to read because I'm in the EU and the publisher can't be arsed to deal with GDPR?)

@Skywise Also in France, we are now allowed to deposit our papers on archives such as hal [1]. Everything there is publicly available.

[1]:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper_Ar

@Skywise The only value add that commercial publishers offer is a mechanism for peer review, and ever since OJS came about, we don't even need them for that: pkp.sfu.ca/ojs/

Honestly, it's past time to ditch them.

@Skywise seriously between this and what @halcy has been talking about... do the journals actually do *anything* other than sit around and collect money from people?

@Skywise Wow, this needs to be shared more widely! I had no idea.

@Skywise
I've requested cine and film studies papers and was told by the author that the publication retains distribution rights. I wonder if this was incorrect or if it varies by field / publication.

@klaatu @Skywise just ask them to send you a slightly different version replacing every "and" with "&".
@Skywise However, there are publishers (like https://peerj.com) that charge the author and later make that author's work available under CC-BY. I think *this* is something worth spreading a word about.

@pfm @Skywise Most publishers offer that option. But from an author perspective that means you have to pay a few thousand $ (e.g Springer is $3000 excl VAT) to see your work published. So that only works if this fee is paid by the employer or a third party.

@pfm @Skywise Charge the author!? Heck I'll give 'em some bandwidth if that's the problem! :D

(not that I have all that much; don't slashdot me I'm actually poor ^^'' )

(but hey, surely we could set up a bittorrent thing! :D )
(where the site doesn't distribute papers, just uses checksums to identify which pdf's are legitimate :D )

As for peer review...shouldn't the peers be doing that? XD
Which is practically the definition of crowdsourcing? XD
(where crowd = registered scientists)
:D

@Skywise It really isn't.

Also, there are places that don't let you do that. NASA Goddard is one of them, we had to turn down the requests and ask them to contact the publications for copies.

@Skywise YESSSSSSSSSS!!

Get the word OUT!! :DD

And here are some great folks trying to fix this!!
plos.org/

/:D/

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