@benhamill We honestly don't see the value in it. In our opinion, the goal of a leftist should be to fight the white supremacy inherent to our capitalist society. Part of that includes dismantling the "refined" perception that comes with being "well-mannered" and whatnot.
We should be convincing people that their anger is justified regardless of the way they express it, not to hide it behind "refinement".
@KitsuneAlicia Oh. No, yes. This was 100% facetious. Just to chuckle at how easy it is to line these words up so that they could mean kind of anything. Or nothing. Crap. I shoulda made that more apparent.
@benhamill Oh, gotcha. (puts on a monocle and top hat) Carry on, then.
@KitsuneAlicia (I hope it's cool that I'm boosting your replies. I wanna make that context visible, too. But I can unboost if you'd prefer).
@benhamill No, that's perfectly fine. ^_^
@benhamill There's a racist history behind the whole "refined" thing. It was used as a way to justify trusting a "properly-speaking" white man over his "uncouth" Black slave.
The Cockney accent and how it's frowned upon is a remnant of the days when the British monarchy had done the same to separate the nobles from the masses.
Our goal shouldn't be to adopt their way of speaking, but rather, to encourage people to speak their own way.
Like the whole "facts don't care about your feelings". The thing is, [objective] facts _don't_ "care" about your feelings. And to someone coming into the discussion without all of the context, it seems like whoever is saying that is in the "right"/on the side of sanity.
But those spouting this line are often solely using it to dismiss the feelings of one group, often by promoting fallacious "facts".
@Jayjader @benhamill Oh, for sure. We've already adopted the "facts don't care about your feelings" one, tbh. Likewise for stressing the "basic" part of "basic biology" that TERFs like to claim so as to signal there's more to gender than just the basics.
But we what we did in order to point out that we're never gonna win over a bigot. Anything we do has to cater to and win over the outside observer.
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