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One thing I like about Mastodon is that it *still* feels the way the early web did in terms of large corporations having no idea what to do with it. It is wild to remember a time when companies were like "why the fuck would anyone want a web site"

@ItsTheManOnTheMoon my favorite internet era was 2000-2005 or so, when the money left for a while. The culture was so positive, it still felt like a place of future possibilities that were going to help the world.

Oh for the filesharing and Flash era. We didn't know how good we had it.

@ItsTheManOnTheMoon you like that it's irrelevant and lonely and therefore uninteresting, you like how it's not reflecting the offline world?

@ItsTheManOnTheMoon the early web doesn't exist anymore, most people using social media today weren't around on the early web in any meaningful compasity... If Mastodon is still behaving like an early web forum, which I agree it often does, that's because it's doing a very bad job at being an alternative for mainstream social media, making it a very lonely place (like the early web)

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@ItsTheManOnTheMoon because most people aren't interested in joining a place that is about 20 years behind in terms of some of its dynamics.

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I can think of ways corporations could try to use it, but honestly it's got so much community control built in that can fight back.

Corpo brand account on your server? Block
Created a corpo server to host their brand? Unfederate.
Barely any demographic data is readily available for marketing.

They really only have us on resources to scale up rapidly enough to overpower the community if it's too small and divided to fend off such an attack.

@pootz I feel like there’s a chance that someone like Facebook might throw a ton of money and branding behind a “for the masses” instance that winds up with all the mindshare, but yeah, with decentralization it would wind up being mostly walled off from the current fediverse

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I also think that could backfire on them if we were actually organized enough to go on the offensive.

Imagine if suddenly people could leave their facebook accounts by migrating to a new server. We could create tools that facilitate the process (facebook won't).

I'm not sure if it's a sound idea, but I think people's focus on staying small is fine at the instance level, but at the project level the fediverse should scale globally.

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Because if we can't universalize the fediverse in the same way facebook has become ubiquitous, then we will never dismantle the tech giants.

Instead they will dismantle us.

@ItsTheManOnTheMoon yeah, one mainstream instance emerging is often presented as a sort of doomsday scenario for the fediverse, but that wouldn't actually be any worse than the current internet. We would still have our own federation, with the added benefit that moving to it from the outside would be easier.

@ItsTheManOnTheMoon I just like the idea of being able to ramble on without worrying about how many fucking jagoffs are recording my data to market me shit I won't need later.

@ItsTheManOnTheMoon corporations have been like "I can monetize all this data" and we've been like "haha nope"

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