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Hello everyone, please welcome my friend @vee00101010

She’s new here, so let’s show her around the place. Be your best weird selves. Also, please boost.

@Fritillaria2 When I first looked at it I thought "Let me guess, she's binary."
Then I bothered to read it :-)
Welcome comrade hitchhiker!

@Fritillaria2 Ah, you kick trees for a living! :-)
That is hard work. I went along a few times for a change of pace.

@gemlog So far, no kicking trees, but of course it is part of the process. This week we'll be cutting a small few for seed (the seed is almost always at the top).

I'm a student aiming to be a silviculturalist, forest biologist, pathologist, and most likely research. I'm also into permaculture and small-scale sustainable forestry. There will be cutting trees in the future, but not as a feller.

What were you changing from? And what made you decide to go along?

@Fritillaria2 The rpf's around here sometimes call field work 'kicking trees', 'hanging ribbon'...
My formal background is electronics, but I'm pretty much an all-around geek. In ~2004 I was busy adding paypal and other things to moodle when I casually mentioned an interest in remote sensing in conversation. Next thing I knew, in addition to getting my new servers up, I was building a 3d work stx for him. Next as english was lang #6 for him, I ended up doing his reports for a decade or so.

@gemlog Ah, okay. We call it "cruising" here. "Kicking trees" sounds more like killing them. 😊

We're studying remote sensing. It's starting to get a foothold for inventory in the timber industry, but they mainly rely on on-the-ground, warmblooded humans using hand-held technology that is less data-heavy. For now, it's still the better option in most cases, at least in my region. I'm sure that will change.

@Fritillaria2 'timber cruising' is a specific thing, so that would be confusing. They make plots and focus on inventory I think?
Just chatting with you now, I imagine I absorbed quite a bit of forestry over the years.

@gemlog So what would be "hanging ribbon", then? Boundaries? Stream buffers? That kind of thing?

@Fritillaria2 Usually more like hansel and gretel.
You might drive (or walk) x number of meters or km from a given point and then a compass directon will be marked with ribbon. Then maybe you walk in 5-600 meters following more ribbon... until you get to the sample plot you need.

@gemlog Okay. If there's a special term besides "following a bearing", I don't know it yet. I'm doing plot samples currently, but I have a mensuration class this fall that will fill in the details.

I'm in the US, which means we'll die screaming before we switch to meters. We measure by "chains" (66 ft) which sounds really stupid (okay, it is) but it makes sense since it's an even division of an acre (we don't use hecares. That would be METRIC, and we'll die scr... I said that already. 😉 )

@Fritillaria2 To be clear, I would just do the grunt work, because I don't even know how to use a prism.
My buddy would point me to a tree and I'd go measure the dbh and look for pathologies like conk, frost cracks, ants, broken top... w/e.
Also I was no good a telling a drum from a sound tree with the back of an axe.
Around here it is usually hem-ba or ba-hem and much of it is decadent.

@gemlog What is "hem-ba"?

I'm looking forward to learning all that. We are currently just doing an assessment, so we don't note any irregularities except forks, broken tops, major stem damage, leans, etc.

@Fritillaria2 Hemlock leading Balsam or the other way around. Since forestry isn't my area, I don't know how things are done outside my province of BC.
About 'chains', I always imagined that's why the device is a called a hip-chain.

@gemlog I'm not familiar with balsam fir; I had to look it up. It's an introduced tree, planted as a succession species?

Industrial timber plants Doug fir almost exclusively. In WA it's with little regard to succession or holistic view of forests. Federal and state lands have more restrictions. In state forests it's required to plant a species mix that existed before harvest, so a lot of hemlock and red cedar, and spruce near the coast. All are better adapted in most situations than Doug fir.

@Fritillaria2 What about balsam?
I'm going to have to have a little read up.
Hemlock, cedar and spruce on the coast, that's the same up here.

@gemlog I'm interested in BC forest practices, and while I don't think it would be easy for an American to get a job up there, it's still in the back of my mind for when I graduate and the kids get older.

Although, Washington has so many laws regulating logging that I fully support, I might have a hard time adapting to what is allowed in other states and provinces.

@Fritillaria2 Or you may find it similar? Or even more restrictive? I have no idea.

for.gov.bc.ca/ftp/hfp/external

bcfpb.ca/board/what-we-do/

This is the actual act (law):
www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/env

I know I found plenty of reasons not to log when writing reports and building pivot tables: goat winter range, visual quality objectives, riparian, CMT... on and on.
Or more mundane things like too decadent or too far for a helicopter for select (cedars on the coast). Or needing e.g. a full bench cut.

@Fritillaria2 Pretty sure it isn't introduced. It shows up after the alders, shades them out and then the hemlock shades out the balsam. Hemlock gets decadent... and then it all starts all over again. That is my understanding anyhow. At least for my area of bc somewhat inland. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrace,

@gemlog Balsam poplar, then? That sounds more likely for an early succession tree.

Wow. Those only grow here in quite wet areas, not so much as a general forest species. They are one of my favorite trees because the smell is my very favorite in all the world.

@Fritillaria2 yes, that's my understanding. I just don't use the same words as you.
Let's say the hemlock get old and fall over. Or a forest fire. Or avalanche track...
First fireweed etc, then alders, then balsam, then hemlock shade them out.
Sorry, I did point out that I'm not an rpf, just a geek! :-)
It looks different toward the coast, just as you said.

@gemlog What? No salmonberry to swallow everything whole? As much as I love it, it's a monster, no doubt.

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@Fritillaria2 "succession" is the perfect word for what I was describing. Your education is already paying off.
For me :-)

@gemlog aka "seral stages", but "succession" makes more sense to more people.

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@Fritillaria2 When you establish a plot, one of you is wearing a hip chain to measure with and make notes.

@Fritillaria2 Sorry, didn't answer why I went along: bush buddy mostly.
You shouldn't go into the bush alone.

@gemlog They send out crews, but you're basically on your own until the end of the day, at least for forest technicians and cruisers. Not for students, though.

@Fritillaria2 Wow. They'd never allow that here. If e.g. you drive 2 hours down a logging road, then walk in for another 2 hours, if anything happens to you, you're screwed if you're alone.

@gemlog I'm not sure about every situation, but most cruising work that I know of will drive in the crew, walk in and spread out to do plots individually (as my instructor yells at... *reminds* us whenever we're slower that he thinks we should be). We're RUGGED, don't you know. 🤷‍♂️

@Fritillaria2 I am *so* not rugged.
One day I said, what's the point of the shotgun if we never take it? Just bear spray.
So I did.
:-(
10-11 hours later heading back to the truck it weighed like a thousand pounds!
Never took it again.

@Fritillaria2 Ha! I found it! :-)
Slight problem. I reinstalled this box the day before yesterday. Apparently I neglected to add one of the drives to my fstab :-(
I thought I managed to lose all kinds of media!
The good news is I just discovered a hole in my backups - pretty major, all my photos. I wonder when I messed up my crontab to do that?
Anyhow...

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