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virtualice @CobaltVelvet

Mastodon being popular: breaking the federation
Mastodon having content warnings: breaking the federation
Mastodon instances blocking people: breaking the federation
Mastodon moving to ActivityPub: breaking the federation

ain't that just conservatism in the end

⑨ laín ⑨ @lain@pleroma.soykaf.com
@CobaltVelvet
Mastodon breaking retweets: breaking the federation
Mastodon hammering small instances: breaking the federation
Mastodon leaking private data: breaking the federation
Mastodon breaking conversation threading: breaking the federation

ain't that just conservatism in the end
virtualice @CobaltVelvet

@lain
> Mastodon hammering small instances: breaking the federation
what now

> ain't that just conservatism in the end
literally the opposite
which is not perfect either, mistakes are made, but at least it's open to improvements

⑨ laín ⑨ @lain@pleroma.soykaf.com
@CobaltVelvet i'm just not into the current narrative that all criticism of the implementation of mastodon is somehow because people hate change and progress.
virtualice @CobaltVelvet

@lain yet it mostly is.

i like technical criticism. ror is a heavy pile of shit, ostatus is hacky and below average, mastodon is new and buggy and lacks stuff.

except it's evil for considering dropping ostatus now. before it was evil because of gargron. before it was because it makes blocking instances simple. before it was because it's occupying gnu social's fediverse.

now that's not criticism, that's bullshit.

⑨ laín ⑨ @lain@pleroma.soykaf.com
@CobaltVelvet so for some reason all those people who hate change and progress ask me every other day about how pleroma is progressing and when they can switch.

in the first few months of masto being on the network everyone helped with it. bad technical decisions and a grating attitude made people weary. reducing this to 'here are the gnu social haters who just hate mastodon because they are so conservative' doesn't do any good.
virtualice @CobaltVelvet

@lain yeah well *maybe* they like you and therefore like pleroma, and hate gargron and therefore hate mastodon and will find any bullshit reason for it. They could accept change from one source but none other, it's pretty common.

good luck with pleroma, i think it's a good project.
it wouldn't come to my mind to aggressively complain to you it's breaking the federation by not implementing activitypub or by implementing it.

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virtualice @CobaltVelvet

@lain you can look at it the other way around too: what arguments for/against activitypub?

+: it's much easier to implement and maintain, it adds a few properly specified things
-: muh gargamel controls the federation

best outcome: both gs and masto support AP or have gateways, with many other great stuff compatible;
worst outcome: gs finally gets rid of mastodon and we live happily ignoring each other

⑨ laín ⑨ @lain@pleroma.soykaf.com
@CobaltVelvet i think we won't have a constructive discussion here. You're arguments are all based on a too simplistic view of the discussions. if you paint all criticism of mastodon as irrational, of course it'll be bullshit.
virtualice @CobaltVelvet

@lain i just told you, not all of it.

pretty sure you could criticize mastodon constructively.

also pretty sure there are around five people in this situation in the whole gnu social ecosystem, except the rest can't shut up and just yell about gargron being evil and breaking the federation.

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