@SunCat not really, partially i guess, it's a generic thing about people putting one's individual feeling about their identity as more important than the fact that gender itself is a social phenomena and doesn't exist on an individual level

i don't want to start to quantify dysphoria but being trans means a difference with the gender society assigned to someone that isn't only lexical, and that's something we use to survive and help each other

@SunCat said otherwise, trans people need to transition or want to transition, otherwise they aren't trans and i don't think letting us have that word is too much to ask. and by transition i mean even the slightest thing, or strong desire to have it; i don't imply all trans people need to identify with a binary gender or have hrt or any surgery or anything like that.

if the cis is a theoretical entity that don't actually exist what are we doing

@CobaltVelvet
Well, if you talk about "even the slightest thing" then things like changing name / pronouns / gender words and/or presentation should count as transition. 'cos transition is always about being your true self, be it medical transition (body dysphoria is about parts that aren't felt as yours) or those "small" things I just listed

@SunCat yeah, i do count a social transition as a transition, whether it's a start or all of it

@CobaltVelvet
OK, cool then =)

It's just that some of those notions can be used to invalidate people >.<

@a_breakin_glass it is a thing and that people use it so badly makes me sad and angry

@CobaltVelvet
also enbies != cis imho but :V

@a_breakin_glass imo nb and trans and two different groups and there's a huge overlap but also people only in one

and i'm right on the intersection so i can shit on everyone fairly

@CobaltVelvet true.
I'm just of the position that while being enby isn't the same as being trans, it isn't the space as being cis as it still involves not identifying with your assigned gender so

@a_breakin_glass yeah it's just, some people identify, some people remotely identify and are okay with it, some people don't identify are not okay with being associated with some gender and they will get shit on for it, and many other degrees. i put the cis/trans limit on the "not okay with it"